Reply from: Mike Holt I'm not saying a low earth resistance is not important to reduce voltage on metal parts as well as conductors from induced voltage from lightning.
This issue si SPD and earth resistance and voltage rise. Please give me an example to support your comments. You are free to use any values that are reasonable.
Note: SPD shunt transient voltage back to the power source (typically the transformer) via a low impedance path, the earth only can become part of this path at service equpment and since the earth resistance as compared to the service neutral so so large, it doesn't help that much at all, so the earth is not the importnat issue, it's the service neutral.
But I've been wrong many time before and I'm willing to learn more. Maybe your example will help me understand the issue you are trying to describe.
Reply from: T.M.Haja sahib Mike, Kindly note that high voltage transient currents caused within a properly designed system such as by switching will be confined within the system and will not fiow through ground.So low soil resistance is not important in this case. But lightning current[via SPD also]tends to go into ground in which case ground potential rises at the point of entry depending on the earth resistance.Also ground potential is greater farthar the distance from the earth this again depending on the soil resistance.But I can proceed further if you agree with me sofar! Reply from: Mike Holt Surprotection for lightning transients (to earth) would be by a lightning arrestor, not a Surge Protection Device SPD. The 2008 NEC is changing Article title from TVSS to SPD, but Article 280 remains as Lightning Arrestor.
So if you are referring to lightning arrestor, then I agree with your comments. Reply from: T.M.Haja sahib Mike,not all lightning current would be by-passed by LR and some will be passed on to SPD to deal with and I referred to that above.In the meantime, kindly clarify regarding NEC rules for safeguarding against touch and step voltages in the circumtance mentioned above. Thanks. Reply from: Mike Holt When any lightning current flows through a SPD, the current travels from the circuit conductors to the 'equipment grounding conductor', then the current travels to service equipment the service neutral, then it goes to the utility transformer. Oh yea, some of the current then flows into the earth as well.
What are the NEC safeguards against touch and step potential? Well grounding is not one of them. How do I know that? The NEC does not have any maximum resistance value, and grounding would never lower the voltage from any energized part to a safe level.
What can one do to ensure a safe installation? Well the question is safe from what? Lightning - Nothing, Ground Fault - Clear the fault with proper bonding.
So that we don't continue in a loop, please give me a call, 352.429.5577.
Based on your comments, I pickup that you are an engineer that thinks that grounding will reduce touch voltage to a safe value. I'm guessing you are an engineer that uses IEEE 80 and you design substations. There are computer models that will demonstrate the Ground Potential Rise (GPR) based on fault current and ground resistance. If you happen to have access to such a program, take a minute and simply work a few examples out. I'm sure you know the IEEE 80 formulas on how to calculate the maximum touch/step potential.
Understand the original discussion was related to Grounding and SPD, not Lightning Arrestors, not Substations, and not how to make an installation safe from touch/step potential (which the earth doesn't help to reduce to a safe level).
Again call me so that we can separate the issues, and I'm 100% sure we can come to an agreement. Reply from: T.M.Haja sahib Mike,Thank you very much for spending your precious time in giving replies.I learnt a thing or two and continue learning from your website. |