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NEC Questions and Answers, October
 

 
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September 30, 2005 

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NEC Questions and Answers

By Mike Holt for EC&M Magazine

Q1. Can a single AFCI protected circuit be used to supply receptacle and lighting outlets in more than one bedroom?

A. The NEC specifies that all 15 or 20A, 120V branch circuits that supply outlets in dwelling unit bedrooms must be protected by a listed AFCI device [210.12], but this rule does not require a separate circuit for each bedroom. Since the NEC doesn't limit the number of receptacle and lighting outlets on a general-purpose branch circuit in a dwelling unit, you are fine.

Although there's no limit on the number of lighting and/or receptacle outlets on dwelling general-purpose branch circuits, the NEC does require a minimum number of circuits to be installed for general-purpose receptacles and lighting outlets [210.11(A)]. In addition, the receptacle and lighting loads must be evenly distributed among the required circuits [210.11(B)].

Q3. What rules apply to wiring located near carnival games that use water?

A. Attractions that utilize water, such as “bumper boats,” “dunking tanks,” and “duck ponds” where electric motors are used to circulate water in a tank in which guests may come in direct contact must be installed in accordance with Article 680 Swimming Pools, Fountains, and Similar Installations [525.3(D)].

But your question was about wiring located near the water game. Currently there are no requirements, such as maintaining minimum distance between receptacles and the water or GFCI protection of receptacles located outlets within 10 feet of the water.

Q4. Can I use two sets of parallel 3/0 THHN conductors in one raceway to supply a 400A, 120/240V feeder that has a continuous load of 320A?

A. The ampacity of 3/0 THHN is 225A at 90C [Table 310.16], based on bundling of no more than 3 current-carrying conductors. Since the raceway will contain a minimum of four and possibly six current-carrying conductors (depending on if the neutral is considered current carrying [310.15(B)(4)]), the conductor ampacity at 90C must be adjusted by a factor of 0.80.

Conductor Ampacity = Table Ampacity at 90C x Bundle Adjustment Factor

Conductor Ampacity = 225A x 0.80

Conductor Ampacity = 180A

The ampacity of the parallel set = 180A x 2 parallel sets = 360A

The minimum feeder conductor size, before any adjustment, must have an ampacity of not less than 125 percent of the continuous load [215.2(A)(1)] and the conductors must have overcurrent protection in accordance with 240.4(B), which is the next size up rule.

In this case, the conductors must have an ampacity of no less than 400A before ampacity adjustment [215.2(A)(1) (320A load x 1.25 = 400A before adjustment, a parallel set of 3/0 has an ampacity of 225A x 2 sets = 450A before derating), and they (360A after derating) are permitted to be protected by a 400A protection device [240.4(B)].

Q5. Does the Code restrict the wiring methods that can be used in a church sanctuary?

A. Article 518 covers all buildings or portions of buildings or structures designed or intended for the gathering together of 100 or more persons for deliberation, worship, or entertainment. That being the case, the following requirements contained in 518.4 applies:

(A) Spaces With Fire-Rated Construction. In the fire-rated portions of a building used for assembly occupancy, only metal raceways, nonmetallic conduits encased in not less than 2 in. of concrete, or Types MC and AC cables containing an insulated equipment grounding (bonding) conductor are permitted.

Exception: Wiring methods for the following systems are permitted within fire-rated construction in accordance with:

(a) Sound Systems—Article 640

(b) Communications Systems—Article 800

(c) ‑Class 2 and Class 3 Remote-Control and Signaling Circuits—Article 725

(d) Fire Alarm Circuits—Article 760

(B) Spaces With Nonfire-Rated Construction. In addition to 518.4(A) wiring methods, Type NM cable, Type AC cable, electrical nonmetallic tubing, and rigid nonmetallic conduit can be installed in those portions of an assembly occupancy building that aren't of fire-rated construction.

(C) Spaces With Finish Ratings. Electrical nonmetallic tubing and rigid nonmetallic conduit can be installed in club rooms, conference and meeting rooms in hotels or motels, courtrooms, dining facilities, restaurants, mortuary chapels, museums, libraries, and places of religious worship where:

(1) Electrical nonmetallic tubing or rigid nonmetallic conduit is installed concealed within walls, floors, or ceilings that provide a thermal barrier with not less than a 15-minute finish rating.

(2) Electrical nonmetallic tubing or rigid nonmetallic conduit is installed above suspended ceilings where the ceilings provide a thermal barrier not with less than a 15-minute finish rating.

Note: Electrical nonmetallic tubing and rigid nonmetallic conduit aren't permitted in dropped/suspended ceiling spaces used for environmental air [300.22(C].

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Comments
  • I HAVE A ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR ON A JOB WHO WANTS TO PUT 25 CURRENT CARRING CONDUCTORS IN TO A 2" CONDUIT. i TOLD HIM HE WOULD HAVE TO DERATE ANY TIME THERE IS MORE THAN 3 CURRENT CARRING CONDUCTORS IN A SINLE CONDUIT.

    WHO IS CORRECT THEY ARE #12 C-U MULTI WIRE BRANCH CIRCUT M/C CABLES

    DAN
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  • Reply from: Mike Holt   
    Questions not related to this newsletter should be posted on the Questions Forum at www.MikeHolt.com.

    You are correct, see 310.15.
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  • A. The NEC specifies that all 15 or 20A, 120V branch circuits that supply outlets in dwelling unit bedrooms must be protected by a listed AFCI device [210.12], but this rule does not require a separate circuit for each bedroom. Since the NEC doesn't limit the number of receptacle and lighting outlets on a general-purpose branch circuit in a dwelling unit, you are fine.

    in reghards to this answer. I don't have my code book with me, but if I remember correctly, each outlet is fgured at 180 watts which will in turn limit the number of outlets per branch circuit. Am I remembering correctly?


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  • how did you respond so fast?


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  • we are debating at work weather or not 3 wire romex may be used on a afci breaker. some say yes but not on the homerun while others say no. i am with the yes crowd because if you have to have smoke detectors on the breaker they are 3 wire. can u help end the confusion


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  • Mike , In question number 4, could it not be a possible eight current carring conductors? You could have a 120/240 3 phase system.

    Chris Bauer
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  • Reply from: Mike Holt   
    Yes it could be. I'll make the question clear in the magazine that it's based on a single-phase system. Thanks.
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  • Mike:

    We question the use of the 90-degree C ampacity value for a feeder with #3/0 cables for Question 4. For this size feeder connected to, say a circuit breaker at the source panel, the proper installation must be in accord with the UL requirement for the listed device [ref: NEC 110-3(B),UL 489, UL File E11592, UL AALZ. and DHJR.GuideInfo]. UL requires the use of the 75-degree ampacity even though the insulation of the cable may be rated for 90 degrees C. Even the stamping on the breakers requires the terminated cables to be sized based on the 75-degree C ampacity. Therefore, the proper ampacity of #3/0 for the example should have been 200 amps rather than 225 amps. Do you agree?

    When I was a young engineer about 30 years ago, I heard Joseph McPartland warn at the ECM convention to follow the cable sizing based on both the NEC and the UL requirements for the cable terminated equipment. See McPartland NEC Handbook in Chapter One for discussions on Article 110-3.

    We had large combination breaker-solid-state starter panels for 150 HP motors overheat because the panel manufacturer used the 90-degree C ampacity instead of the 75 for cable sizing. We had to convince both the manufacturer and the local UL field engineer, who was not well informed about the UL 508A and 489 Standards, to replace the undersized cabling. After the correction, overheating of the panels was eliminated. A more knowledgeable engineer in another UL office, who instructs on UL 508A, agreed with me. We found out that UL 508A labels on custom control panels do not necessarily guarantee their compliance with the NEC and UL requirements!

    Bob Terada CA Registered Electrical Engineer

    Robert Terada
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  • Reply from: Mike Holt   
    The temperature limitaion of 110.14(C) does not apply to the ampacity adjustment factor. 3/0 THHN has an ampacity fo 200A at 75C in accordance with Table 310.16, so the answer is correct as give. However, I'll add this note to the answer in the magazine so the next person will not get confused.

    Note: I traveled with Joe McPartland nation wide from 1980-1992 (when he retired) doing seminars with him. What a great guy.


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  • MIKE AND THE TEAM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHICH POWER SERVICE WOULD BE BETTER TO A COMPUTER ROOM. THIS ROOM HAS SERVERS,MONITORS AND ASSOCIATED ELETRONIC HARDWARE.MY QUESTION, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO SUPPLY A THREE PHASE FEED OR A SINGLE PHASE FEED 120/ 240 VOLT. THE EXISTING POWER SUPPLY IS SINGLE PHASE 120/220 WITH AN ISOLATION TRANSFORMER.WE HAVE AVAILABLE THREE PHASE WIRING AND CIRCUITS INPLACE THAT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE A SIMPLE PANEL UPGRADE.

    NICHOLAS DEVORA
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  • Reply from: Mike Holt   
    All questions of a technical nature should be posted on our code forum here: http://www.mikeholt.com/cgi-bin/codeforum/ultimatebb.cgi

    Thank you.
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