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NEC Questions and Answers- April Part 1 of 2
 

 
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April 11, 2007  

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NEC Questions and Answers

April Part 1 of 2

 

Here is the follow up to yesterday’s newsletter. This includes all of the answers to the questions sent yesterday so you can see how you did.

 

By Mike Holt for EC&M Magazine

 

Q1. What are the rules for installing fluorescent light fixtures in clothes closets?

A1. There are specific clearances that must be maintained for either fluorescent or incandescent luminaires installed in a clothes closet. Here are the rules from 410.8(D):

(1) Surface-mounted totally enclosed incandescent luminaires must maintain a minimum clearance of 12 in. from the storage space.

(2) Surface-mounted fluorescent luminaires must maintain a minimum clearance of 6 in. from the storage space.

(3) Recessed incandescent luminaires with a completely enclosed lamp must maintain a minimum clearance of 6 in. from the storage space.

(4) Recessed fluorescent luminaires must maintain a minimum clearance of 6 in. from the storage space.

 

Q2. What are the requirements for supporting outlet boxes above/to suspended ceilings?

A2. Outlet boxes can be supported to the structural or supporting elements of a suspended ceiling, if securely fastened by one of the following methods [314.23(D)]

(1) Ceiling-Framing Members. An outlet box can be secured to suspended-ceiling framing members by bolts, screws, rivets, clips, or other means identified for the suspended-ceiling framing member(s).

 

Author’s Comment: Where framing members of suspended ceiling systems are used to support luminaires, they must be securely fastened to each other and must be securely attached to the building structure at appropriate intervals. In addition, luminaires must be attached to the suspended-ceiling framing with screws, bolts, rivets, or clips listed and identified for such use [410.16(C)].

 

(2) Independent Support Wires. Outlet boxes can be secured, with fittings identified for the purpose, to independent support wires that are taut and secured at both ends [300.11(A)].

Author’s Comment: See 300.11(A) on the use of independent support wires to support raceways and cables.

Q3. What are the requirements for installing conductors from different panels in the same raceway?

A3. Power conductors can occupy the same raceway, cable, or enclosure if all conductors have an insulation voltage rating not less than the maximum circuit voltage [300.3(C)(1)].

 

Q4. What are the disconnecting means requirements for transformers?

A4. The NEC does not have specific requirements for disconnecting means at a transformer, but overcurrent protection requirements of Article 450 and Article 240 must be followed.

 

Q5. In what rooms of a home is an electrical panel with breakers prohibited?

A5. Overcurrent protection devices should not be located where they would be subjected to physical damage or in areas where they might create a fire or safety hazard [240.24(C)].

 

Some specific locations are prohibited in dwelling units:

  • Overcurrent protection devices must not be located near easily ignitible material, such as in clothes closets [240.24(D)].

Author’s Comment: The purpose of keeping overcurrent protection devices away from easily ignitible material is to prevent fires, not to keep them out of clothes closets.

  • Overcurrent protection devices must not be located in the bathrooms of dwelling units, or guest rooms or guest suites of hotels or motels [240.24(E)].

Author’s Comment: The service disconnecting means must not be located in a bathroom, even in commercial or industrial facilities. [230.70(A)(2)].

 

Q6. Can Type NM cable in a dwelling unit be used to wire recessed light fixtures that require the circuit conductors to have at least a 90°C rating?

A6. Yes, Type NM conductors are rated at 90°C [334.104], even though the ampacity is required to be selected based on the 60°C column of Table 310.16 [334.80].

 

Q7. Can I pass conductors from one panel through another panel, and if yes, what are the restrictions?

A7. Yes, cabinets, cutout boxes, and meter socket enclosures can be used as a raceway for conductors that feed through if the conductors do not fill the wiring space at any cross section to more than 40 percent [312.8].

Author’s Comment: Service conductors and other conductors are permitted to be installed in the same enclosure [230.7].

Splices and taps can be installed in cabinets, cutout boxes, or meter socket enclosures if the splices or taps do not fill the wiring space at any cross section to more than 75 percent [312.8].

 

Q8. What is the minimum distance permitted between the 277/480V panels oppositely facing each other and how is this distance measured?

A8. Two panels facing each other with 277V to ground in each panel fits Condition 3 of Table 110.26(A)(1), and the minimum distance between them must be 4 ft:

 

Q9. I have noticed that the light fixtures located in the attics and crawl spaces of numerous residences have been damaged unintentionally. Does the NEC require fixtures in these locations to be suitably guarded against accidental damage?

A9. Nothing in the NEC requires guarding of light fixtures in the attics of dwelling units. When installed around combustible material, luminaires are required to have guards to limit the temperature around the combustible material [410.5].

 

Q10. A 30 kVA 480/208V transformer is fed by a 60A 3-pole breaker from a 480V panel. This transformer secondary then feeds a 120/208V panel which is within 10 ft of conductor length. Is secondary overcurrent protection required for the secondary conductors?

A10. The NEC permits 10 ft of secondary conductors without secondary conductor protection if [240.21(C)(2)]:

(1) The ampacity of the secondary conductor must not be less than:

a. The calculated load in accordance with Article 220,

b. The rating of the device supplied by the secondary conductors or the overcurrent protective device at the termination of the secondary conductors, and

c. Not less than one-tenth the rating of the overcurrent device protecting the primary of the transformer, multiplied by the primary-to-secondary transformer voltage ratio.

(2) The secondary conductors must not extend beyond the switchboard, panelboard, disconnecting means, or control devices they supply.

(3) The secondary conductors must be enclosed in a raceway.

Author’s Comment: Secondary overcurrent protection is not required for the secondary conductors, but overcurrent protection is required for lighting and appliance branch-circuit panelboards, and this protection is required to be located on the secondary side of the transformer [408.36(D)].

 

Q11. What size conductor is required for a 3000A service supplied with eight parallel sets?

A11. We must choose individual conductors that are rated at least 375A each (3000A/8 sets), as 240.4(C) does not allow the next size up when the overcurrent device is rated above 800A. This ampacity is selected from the 75°C column of Table 310.16 for conductors over 100A in order to accommodate the terminal temperature rating requirements of 110.14(C)(1)(b).

 

Copper 500 kcmil is rated 380A in the 75°C column of Table 310.16 and will be satisfactory as long as there are no more than 3 current carrying conductors installed per raceway at an ambient temperature not exceeding 85°F.

 

Any installation making use of parallel conductors per phase must meet all of the requirements of 310.4 for parallel conductors.

 

Q12. How do I calculate the feeder/service load for track lighting in a commercial building?

A12. The feeder/service VA load must not be less than 150 VA for every 2 ft of track lighting or fraction thereof [220.43(B)]. Where a feeder or service supplies continuous loads, the minimum feeder or service conductor size, before the application of any adjustment and/or correction factors, must have an allowable ampacity of not less than 125 percent of the continuous load [215.2(A)(1) for feeders and 230.42(A) for services].

Example: What is the approximate feeder/service calculated load for conductor sizing for 150 ft of track lighting in a commercial occupancy?

(a) 10,000 VA  (b) 12,000 VA             (c) 14,000 VA (d) 16,000 VA

Answer: (c) 14,000 VA

Feeder calculated load - 150 ft/2 ft = 75 units x 150 VA x 1.25 = 14,063 VA

 

Author’s Comment: This rule doesn’t apply to branch circuits. There is no limit on the length of track on a single branch circuit. Therefore, the maximum number of lampholders permitted on a track lighting system is based on the wattage rating of the lamps and the voltage and ampere rating of the circuit [410.101(B)]. The maximum load on a branch circuit must not exceed 80 percent of the circuit rating [210.19(A)(1)].

 

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  • can you use a neutral and hot wire to supply motion activated light.IF incomin power is comin from a switch loop.

    norman b. charles
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  • Question 11:

    Conductor Ampacity may be obtained per IEEE Standard 835-1994. For example, 9 parallel 500 kCM copper conductors in underground ductbank are rated anywhere from 201A through 347A per conductor, depending on factors such as cable insulation, 75 deg C or 90 deg C, Earth Thermal resistivity (Rho = 60, 90, or 120) Earth temperature, (25 deg C) and Load Factor (75 or 100%)

    Another method to calculate Cable Ampacity would be to employ the calculation method by Neher, J.H. and McGrath, M.H., "The calculation of the temperature rise and load capability of cable systems" A.I.E.E. Transaction, vol76, pt III, pp 752-772, October 1957

    Gunter
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  • Pertaining to question No. 10: Where do you usually put the disconnecting/over current protection for the lighting and appliance panel board in a house that meet all of the criteria listed?

    Tom Sherwood
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  • I enjoyed the challenge of looking for the answer before getting the answer to see how close to the answer I was. I guess it is par for the course as I deal with looking for the answer on a daily basis. Thanks for the challenge, especially the attic light and XFMR disconnect, and I look forward to more of the same! Sincerely!

    David Engelhart
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  • That was a good quiz. Even tough I did find a brief article on disconnecting means for transformers on Tunnel installations over 600v, nominal. 110.58 But that was all I found on Transformer Disconnecting means. Thanks for the challenge.

    Daniel Cortez
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  • Answer #3 does not apply in a healthcare facility.

    517.30, (C) Wiring Requirements.

    (1) Separation from Other Circuits. The life safety branch and critical branch of the emergency system shall be kept entirely independent of all other wiring and equipment and shall not enter the same raceways, boxes, or cabinets with each other or other wiring.

    Wiring of the life safety branch and the critical branch shall be permitted to occupy the same raceways, boxes, or cabinets of other circuits not part of the branch where such wiring complies with one of the following:

    (1) Is in transfer equipment enclosures

    (2) Is in exit or emergency luminaires (lighting fixtures) supplied from two sources

    (3) Is in a common junction box attached to exit or emergency luminaires (lighting fixtures) supplied from two sources

    (4) Is for two or more emergency circuits supplied from the same branch

    The wiring of the equipment system shall be permitted to occupy the same raceways, boxes, or cabinets of other circuits that are not part of the emergency system.

    Dick Arnett
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  • Mike I strongly urge you to continue sending out the code questions with the answers in the same email. It is very beneficial to be able to read the question, review the NEC to try and answer the question and then see the answer all at the same time. Its similar to a school student doing their homework and seeing the answer. This allows the student to truly understand a concept in lieu of coming back to it a day later. Of course if a person is going to cheat it does not matter which way its done.

    Steve Silberstein
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  • One exception to Question 3: Wiring from different panels cannot be in the same raceway if one of the panels is part of an emergency distribution system. Emergency circuits must be separate from normal circuits. Reference NEC 700.9 (B).

    Steve W
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  • In question 12 the comment was made that branch circuits can only be loaded to 80%. The reference was 210.19(A)(1) which refers to continuous loads. Most lighting is considered as a continuous load and so lighting branch circuits should not be loaded past 80% (this is the same as calculating the load at 125%).

    Many other non continuous type loads on branch circuits, however, can be calculated at 100%. 210.23 allows individual branch circuits to be loaded to 100%. Article 210.23 does restrict any individual equipment on 15,20 and 30 amp branch circuits with multiple receptacles to 80% of the branch circuit rating if the equipment is not fastened in place. On 15 and 20 amp branch circuits, if equipment is fastened in place and placed on a circuit with other outlets, it cannot exceed 50% of the branch circuit's rating.

    Also note that 210.23 allows individual branch circuits to be placed on any appropriately sized circuit, but restricts branch circuits with multiple outlets to15, 20, 30, 40 and 50 amp circuits.

    Bill Bamford
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  • In question 12 the comment was made that branch circuits can only be loaded to 80%. The reference was 210.19(A)(1) which refers to continuous loads. Most lighting is considered as a continuous load and so lighting branch circuits should not be loaded past 80% (this is the same as calculating the load at 125%).

    Many other non continuous type loads on branch circuits, however, can be calculated at 100%. 210.23 allows individual branch circuits to be loaded to 100%. Article 210.23 does restrict any individual equipment on 15,20 and 30 amp branch circuits with multiple receptacles to 80% of the branch circuit rating if the equipment is not fastened in place. On 15 and 20 amp branch circuits, if equipment is fastened in place and placed on a circuit with other outlets, it cannot exceed 50% of the branch circuit's rating.

    Also note that 210.23 allows individual branch circuits to be placed on any appropriately sized circuit, but restricts branch circuits with multiple outlets to15, 20, 30, 40 and 50 amp circuits.

    Bill Bamford
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  • Mike: Each time transformer secondary overcurrent protection is addressed in the newsletter, 240.4F is not mentioned. 240.4F states "Single phase and multiphase transformer secondary conductors shall not be considered to be protected by the primary overcurrent protective device". Question 10 discusses secondary conductors from a multiphase delta-wye (not a delta-delta) transformer.

    The explanation in blue on page 162 of the Handbook states: "Except for those two special cases, transformer secondary conductors must be protected by the use of overcurrent devices, because the primary overcurrent devices do not provide such protection."

    240.21C2 addresses that the secondary conductors don't need protection at the point they receive their supply. But they still require overcurrent protection in accordance with 240.21 and 240.4F.

    I believe the author's comment "overcurrent protection is not required for the secondary conductors" should be revised and the answer to question 10 should be: "Since the transformer is a multiphase (other than delta delta) transformer, secondary conductor overcurrent protection is required. However, this protection can be provided at the termination of the secondary conductors if they are not over 10ft long in accordance with 240.21C2."

    Thank you for preparing the quiz. It was a great exercise.

    Mick Wolford, P.E. RCDD
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  • I think answer 3 must also state that per 200.6(D) if the panels are on different systems the neutrals have to be separately identified.

    Good quiz. I like not having the answers as it requires looking up different aspects and may lead to different answers, as noted by the previous comments.

    Vic
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  • I believe that Answer 11 has further stipulations. Table 310.16 does not apply if you have a duct bank with 8 parallel sets of feeders. Annex B indicates duct banks of different sizes and configurations along with their allowable cable ampacities for conductors rated 0 through 2000V.

    For Medium voltage cables, the revised ampacity tables are in table 310.77.

    For some reason, the code doesn't require the derate of the ampacity of conductors under 2000V when installed in duct banks. However, I have seen and measured condcutor temperatures in excess of 90°C when installed using 310.16 ampacities in large duct banks.

    I have used AmpCalc, which is a program that determines conductor ampacities for different duct bank configurations. I believe the code should have more information and requirements on these types of power dense installations.

    Jim
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  • I believe that Answer 11 has further stipulations. Table 310.16 does not apply if you have a duct bank with 8 parallel sets of feeders. Annex B indicates duct banks of different sizes and configurations along with their allowable cable ampacities for conductors rated 0 through 2000V.

    For Medium voltage cables, the revised ampacity tables are in table 310.77.

    For some reason, the code doesn't require the derate of the ampacity of conductors under 2000V when installed in duct banks. However, I have seen and measured condcutor temperatures in excess of 90°C when installed using 310.16 ampacities in large duct banks.

    I have used AmpCalc, which is a program that determines conductor ampacities for different duct bank configurations. I believe the code should have more information and requirements on these types of power dense installations.

    Jim
    Reply to this comment

  • Like this way better cannot just guess from the choices-have to know the book!

    Scott C
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