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It appears to be that the installer used a slip. Conduit into another conduit, this allows settling, the lock ring came off so the conduit slipped down. The three wires are common to service entrance. Edy September 7 2014, 9:48 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
It looks like PVC pipe (note the raised grippers around the male adaptor end) that had been pulled down through it's locknut either by extreme settling, or by a single dramatic event (forklift anyone?). I don't think the meter can was raised, you'd have to break the utility seal in order to open the enclosure to access the mounting screws and the utility would definitely have something to say about that. If it was damaged by equipment, then 300.4 Protection Against Physical Damage would apply. If it was from settling or earth movement, then 300.5(J) Earth Movement would be the issue. If it's just sagging like crazy, then I'd look at 300.11 Securing and Supporting. Steve Tapia September 7 2014, 4:02 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
What's with the religious passage attached to your "Mike Hot header" are we talking electrical or Religion. Nice that you have religion but do you have to publicize it? Roger Stein August 27 2014, 4:34 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
The cables, which are #2SEU are enclosed for mechanical protection
and they feed up into the poco side #1, it looks like it was a
sleeve that lost it's locknut and fell. We don't know anymore
about this photo show they show just enough. Besides it all painted
but that happens all the time, it could nipple through to its
load but I agree now more with the guy who said they used line and load
100 amp cable together, the conduit fell. The poco does require a 200 amp
meter on UG services, (at least here). Yea, its line in, line out
using poco entry. Jim August 27 2014, 1:27 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
This is covered under Article 300.4 Protection Against Physical Damage.
Also 300.11 Secured in Place.
Also 300.12 Mechanical Continuity-Raceways and Cables, metallic or nonmetallic raceways. Eddie Sanchez August 27 2014, 11:13 am EDT Reply to this comment |
In Calif the utility is called by the inspector to plug in a meter after it passes inspection, this insures that it is code compliant; I don’t believe the utility would plug in a meter with the service conductors exposed here even if the inspector passed it. I’m guessing the meter base has been raised by a non-electrician after the original installation – no inspection and no utility involvement. Darren August 27 2014, 8:48 am EDT Reply to this comment |
also shouldn't the conduit extend all the way to the box bonded using a internal bushing Rick August 27 2014, 8:24 am EDT Reply to this comment |
WOW!!! If those are 8"blocks that looks like 16" of settling. Otherwise besides conductor protection I don't see a problem. jim August 27 2014, 8:01 am EDT Reply to this comment |
Typical case of wall dilation (a lot of it). That's why we need to use expansion fittings... LOL Marcelo August 26 2014, 8:27 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
I would be curious to see a photo from about 6' farther back. mirawho August 26 2014, 6:04 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
At least they painted the wires to camouflage it. David hall August 26 2014, 3:57 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
300.50(c)Underground Installations
Protection From Damage David Worthan August 26 2014, 3:05 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
Looks like the power company didn't do there job correctly need to call them. Our inspectors can't inspect there work. Will Carpenter August 26 2014, 1:52 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
Geez, where to start, looks like it was once lower, re-hung, and never installed the proper metallic tubing and or bushings,no need to identify conductors down below because they should not even be exposed in the first place.(in the box is another story.)the installers AND inspector should be strung up on the nearest tree!! Dan Subia August 26 2014, 1:15 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
I agree with those that said 230.50 (B).
I don't agree that this is necessarily an underground conductor...how can you tell from the photo?
P. Ramos August 26 2014, 11:49 am EDT Reply to this comment |
NEC section 230.32 -- Protection Against Damage W. Smith, P.E. August 26 2014, 9:34 am EDT Reply to this comment |
Conductors are unprotected from conduit to meter base.Also if that is rigid metallic conduit,you have lost ground due to lack of ground bushings and appropriate sized groud wire.People that do these things are not qualified electricains which is a big problem in some states. Bob August 26 2014, 8:28 am EDT Reply to this comment |
The conduit does not run all the way to meter enclosure. The feeder is unprotected. Raj August 26 2014, 8:20 am EDT Reply to this comment |
not a fair photo. the photo is incomplete,
where is the other end of conduit, is this
a lateral installation or does the conduit
make a 90 degree bend or does the other end
attach to a condulet. Thomas Conlan August 26 2014, 8:19 am EDT Reply to this comment |
We run into this quite a few times. Due to the rust around the hasp and the paint job it is obvious that this is an older installation, Without firsthand observation I would say that settling and frost are the culprit but not the blame. There should have been a ground slip sleeve installed in the utility riser.(Some utilities provide it, some make it the responsibility of the customer. I believe that the code calls for it where this is a possibility of occurring.) Over the years I have found lock rings which have worked their way off, maybe due to vibration or poor installation then the conduit settles to some degree. I would guess that if you opened the base you would find the ring. Our cooperative will address these issues as we come across them due to unprotected and non-fused conductors and the hazard it presents to the public. Bob Joslin August 26 2014, 8:13 am EDT Reply to this comment |
Why 3 neutral wires in the same raceway with no phase conductors. Or are they Grounding electrode conductors? Don August 26 2014, 7:43 am EDT Reply to this comment |
Maybe the wire should be protected from physical damage. Who forgot to order an extra stick of PVC? Chris August 26 2014, 7:24 am EDT Reply to this comment |
Did anyone notice that this fine application has a new coat of paint to blend in? Lol Edward Morales August 26 2014, 7:14 am EDT Reply to this comment |
Paralell 100 amp type SEU cables to sum for a 200 amp service
on an underground service feed. (must be in the same conduit or
raceway, single conductors and SEU is not approved for use with
its sheath on, only a sleeve because it effects the ampacity.
Jim Benson Wilkes-Barre Jim Benson August 26 2014, 6:29 am EDT Reply to this comment |
Very obvious violation to the cable being run, the Meter being used, the conduit, the grounding, etc...
My question is who powered it up? The inspector need to be sited if you ask me. Brian Mendija August 26 2014, 4:33 am EDT Reply to this comment |
This installation is clearly in violation of NEC (2011) 300.12
This raceway must be continuous between cabinets, boxes, fittings, or other enclosures.
230.50(A) Protection against Physical Damage
300.18(A) Complete Runs.
If the utility seals are intact, indicating that no work was performed after the installation
I'm not sure why the utility or building dept. would have ever accepted the installation.? Michael Hanson August 25 2014, 11:21 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
I would have to say 300.50(C) an I don't see any type of ground. I could be wrong but that's just my observation. E.Donohue August 25 2014, 11:10 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
This looks like a home made meter base, may not even be a utility service (meters are not service equipment); could be an outside feeder with a private meter? Darren August 25 2014, 9:38 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
225.10, 225.20, 300.4, 300.12, 300.18.a, 300.37, 312.5, 312.10, 352.30 Darren August 25 2014, 9:21 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
Assuming 1000 volts or less, the exposed conductors would violate 230.50 (B). Just guessing that probably several other issues with this one.
(Protection of service-entrance conductors other than underground)
Oops forgot the lock... Was probably 5 O'clock somewhere :)
Brian Brian August 25 2014, 8:48 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
first I thought that fill just settled then on further thought this is what happens when shop pre fabs things stub up was only so long & cover needed to be so much meter hight needed to be so then all looked good when painter was done just my thought bob kohli bob kohli August 25 2014, 8:45 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
article 338.12(A)(2). SE cable not permitted underground with or without a raceway Bill Fibelkorn August 25 2014, 8:28 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
The violations are obvious. HOW they did it is the bigger question. Steven August 25 2014, 8:11 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
The phase conductors are not clearly marked. Steven James Haggard August 25 2014, 7:43 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
Conductors are not protected in a cable or conduit Wiredjack August 25 2014, 7:43 pm EDT Reply to this comment |
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