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November 20, 2006  

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Mike,
In December of 2005 I had two water leaks in my front yard, caused by pin-hole leaks in my copper water line. The leaks in the pipes were from the street to the house, thus the responsibility to repair was left up to me and not to the water supplier. My home is 4 years old and I do not understand why I should have such a problem with a newer home.

I called a plumber to repair the two leaks and from what he says it appears to be either a problem with bad copper piping or electrical current going through the copper pipes. Because I was not the original owner of the home, but the second owner, the builder said they were not responsible to repair the leaks. Remember, this was back in December of 2005. Well, this week my neighbors on both sides of me have encountered the same problem with water leaks. Although they have not had their problems repaired yet, the plumbers that have looked at their leaks do confirm that it is again, either bad pipes or electric current passing through the pipes. I do have a ground wire running from my electrical box and grounded on the inside to the copper water pipe line.

Also I have found out that all the wiring (i.e. phone, cable, gas, electric) is in a tunnel ditch going across the copper water line from the water meter to my house. I live in Kentucky were the building codes permit such utilities to be tunnel placed as such.

Mike Holt Comment: It's my understanding, based on studies by the American Water Works Association (AWWA), that alternating current flow does not create this problem. I'm willing to change my opinion if someone has a study to support the claim that pin hole leaks can be created in metal piping because of current flow. Do you have any thoughts?

 

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Comments
  • There is a phenomena in refrigeration called stress corrosion. Evaporator copper u-bends experience this phenomena in an acidic enviornment Pinhole leaks develop in the outer portion (area of greatest stress) of the u-bends, when subjected to an acid enviorment.

    The evaporator, on small deli sandwich makers and reach-in coolers, where pickles are kept, is subjected to this enviornment when the sandwich makers or other pickle users dont cover the pans with pickles or pickled peppers or anything else acidic like lemon juice.

    The acid vapor from the vinegar, etc will cause stress corrosion --- it may take a year or several, for the copper to erode to the point where leaks develop . I have seen this phenomena on numerous occasions. The pinholes can be filled if not too bad-- I use soft solder with rosin core instead of silphos brazing rod as the copper is very weak at this point and the heat required for silphosing can cause bigger leaks-- but the best fix is to replace the evaporator and educate the user.

    I would suggest looking at soil pH for a strong acid condition. If the copper used is hard drawn, which I suspect it is, there may be enough stress in the copper to allow stress corrosion to occur if the soil conditions are strongly acidic. I believe there are inexpensive soil ammendments that might bring up the pH. I would ask a good landscape maintenance company or geologist to see what they suggest for eliminating an acid soil condition. I think there are soil test kits at many gardent centers--- if the pH is much below 7, say 4 or 5, that might be the cause.

    It may also be that the copper used in that housing complex came from a faulty batch to begin with--try to get a sample of the same material from inside the house and then send it to a metalurgist for grain structure analysis and susceptibility to stress corrosion Good luck Bill

    Bill

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